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EBM?

So I'm having dinner tonight with this group of happy medical students and they are bummin out about their EBM course and they ask me if I really use "EBM" and I say yes and then I do this little strep throat thing like this:

I see an adult in the office with a sore throat.  No kids.  No contact with kids

So I assume pre-test probability of about 5% Yeh - I made it up.  I'm probably close.

And the sensitivity of the test I'm doing is 85% (possibly better -- but we'll be safe)

Specificty is very good - 99%

So let's do the poor man's version that I use to explain to the patient:

You have a 5% chance of having this BEFORE I do the test - so after the test you have a 15% chance of the 5% chance of having strep throat.

.15 x .05 = .0075 ... let's round it up to 1%.

"Mrs Jones - you have a 1% chance that you have strep throat after this negative rapid-strep. Go home and drink warm tea with honey and you will feel better soon." (ok .. go find the evidence for THAT!)

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Students get confused.  "That's too easy" they seem to say. "We have to do all of those crazy calculations."

No - just understand.  I say.  Do the math and you'll get the same result here.

So here goes.

Given my number above - we need to calculate the Negative Likelihood Ratio - which is:

Negative Likelihood=(1-SENS)/SPEC

So:  (1-.85)/.99 = 0.15  

So our negative Likelhood Ratio is .15 = 15%

Now we need to relate this to our patient.  For this - the EBM disciples use the Fagan Nomogram which really uses the formula:

Pos-test odds =  Likelihood Ratio x pre-test odds

So ... Post-test odds = 15% x 5%

which is the same as

15 x .05 = .0075 ... let's round it up to 1%.

Look familar?

 

 

 

 

 

Comments

uh .. yeh .. thanks Shrinkette (and my 3 other e-mail editors!) .. decimal fixed. Suzen: You are HIPAA-clean .. and the HQ (ahhyQuotient) for medical students is determined like this: Pizza + wings * (# of days till next exam)/#days left until USMLE. Multiply this by 1-classmates, and fill out a 6 x 6 grid with the number of friends from college. Take the sum of the 3rd row. This is how happy they were. It's all relative, of course. High schoolers taking the SAT are 30% more likely to smile.
So, did you ever figure out why the medical students were so happy? BTW, any thoughts on my last 2 clinic cases, HIPAA-wise?
Er, I think those decimal points need to be checked...

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